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- F I D O N E W S -- Vol.13 No.19 (06-May-1996)
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- | A newsletter of the | ISSN 1198-4589 Published by: |
- | FidoNet BBS community | "FidoNews" BBS |
- | _ | +1-519-570-4176 |
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- | _`@/_ \ _ | |
- | | | \ \\ | Editors: |
- | | (*) | \ )) | Donald Tees 1:221/192 |
- | |__U__| / \// | |
- | _//|| _\ / | |
- | (_/(_|(____/ | |
- | (jm) | Newspapers should have no friends. |
- | | -- JOSEPH PULITZER |
- +----------------------------+-----------------------------------------+
- | Submission address: editors 1:1/23 |
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- | For information, copyrights, article submissions, |
- | obtaining copies of fidonews or the internet gateway faq |
- | please refer to the end of this file. |
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- ========================================================================
- Table of Contents
- ========================================================================
-
- 1. Editorial..................................................... 1
- 2. Articles...................................................... 2
- A_THEIST Echo on Zone 1 Backbone!........................... 2
- HOLYSMOKE Echo is available on the Zone 1 Backbone!......... 3
- Once again, there are no articles in the inbound............ 3
- Fidonet will not die unless we let it!...................... 5
- End of FidoNet or zone 1 problems?.......................... 6
- 3. Fidonews Information.......................................... 9
- ========================================================================
- Editorial
- ========================================================================
- FidoNews 13-19 Page: 2 06 May 1996
-
-
- I have one application for the position of snooze editor.
- Following the procedure of Tom Jennings, I will combine them
- into a text file available for freq as the applications come
- in, and make an announcement in 6-8 weeks. I will keep people
- informed in these editorials.
-
- There are several good articles from Europe in today's issue,
- and a European editor might well be in order. I would also be
- interested in any ideas on changes that may be appropriate at
- this time. For example, perhaps we should have an editor in
- each zone, and alternate editorials.
- ========================================================================
- Articles
- ========================================================================
- A_THEIST Echo on Zone 1 Backbone!
-
- Christopher Baker
- Rights On! 1:374/14
-
- A_THEIST Echo Available
-
- A_theism means free of religion in the way a_political means
- free of politics or a_sexual means free of sex
- characteristics or drives.
-
- With that in mind and ever cognizant of the continued
- pressure of religion to intrude itself into our government
- and its operations, the A_THEIST Echo is provided to inform
- and alarm and hopefully wake up the sleeping and too long
- silent majority to the peril on our doorstep.
-
- It is a Zone 1 Backbone Echo Hosted and Moderated by Rights
- On! at 1:374/14 and Christopher Baker [card carrying member of
- American Atheists, Inc.] and by Jackson Harding at 3:800/857
- in Hawthorndene_SA_Australia. Links may be obtained from your
- local Backbone source connection. Zone 3 is being Hubbed
- through 3:800/857.
-
- The Echo is open to anyone who can discuss, without
- proselytizing, the extreme desirability of maintaining the
- absolute separation of State and church in this country as
- provided for in our Constitution.
-
- A sample of the first few messages and the statement of
- purpose of the Echo is available as A_THEIST.ZIP from this
- system anytime except 0100-0130 ET and Zone 1 ZMH [USR HST
- V32 online] if you wish to get an idea of whether to commit
- disk space to the Echo.
-
- It has been on the Backbone for years. Ask your Backbone
- connection to get it for you! The complete info is available
- in the current ELISTnnn.XXX file available from your NEC or
- REC or here. [Request ELIST.]
-
- FidoNews 13-19 Page: 3 06 May 1996
-
- I hope you will join us or ask your Sysop to request a link
- via their regular Backbone connections!
-
- TTFN.
- Chris
-
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- HOLYSMOKE Echo is available on the Zone 1 Backbone!
-
- Styx Allum
- Out in the Styx, 1:152/20
-
- HOLYSMOKE Echo is ready and waiting!
-
- HOLYSMOKE is a Backbone Echo that originally sprang forth
- from Out in the Styx of Oregon. It is carried on the
- Zone 1 Backbone and sent into Zones 2, 3, and 6.
- HOLYSMOKE is Moderated by Styx Allum on 1:152/20.
-
- If any of you or your Sysops are interested in obtaining
- this Echo, you or they should contact their regular,
- Backbone Echo source! HOLYSMOKE has appeared in FIDONET.NA
- [now BACKBONE.NA] since 26 Jul 92.
-
- HOLYSMOKE is an Echo for debating the merits/demerits of
- religions of all kinds in a friendly but contentious way.
- It is open to anyone who cares to argue or cajole without
- proselytizing or personal attacks. Wear your NOMEX undies!
-
- The Echo is now fully activated and waiting for those with
- an interest in fire or brimstone or a bucket of cold water.
- The complete rules are posted regularly in the Echo and are
- available in the current ELRUL archive published at 1:1/201.
-
- Come and join us in the great debate!
-
- Styx Allum, Host & Moderator
- 1:152/20
-
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- Once again, there are no articles in the inbound.
- From: Frank Ellermann (2:240/5815.1)
-
- That's very sad, and the fourth time since december, if
- I recall this correctly. But I guess you should know
- that the snooze has many fans here in zone 2. There are
- at least 3 systems here in Z2, where all back issues
- from the beginning are available, not counting your
- ex libris or Marge Robbins' system in Z1.
-
- Many new nodes and points like me have nearly no other
- source than these back issues, to understand something
- about FidoNet's history. And therefore we need it.
- FidoNews 13-19 Page: 4 06 May 1996
-
-
- Our policy is far from what I want it to be, but I
- believe literally in its following statement:
-
- FidoNews and the node lists are the glue that holds us
- together. Without them, we cease to be a community, and
- become just another random collection of bulletin boards.
-
- I hope that someone notices the little joke behind this
- quotation (?)
-
- > I think, perhaps, that the writer of a few weeks back
- > was correct. I think that perhaps I should resign this
- > post.
-
- I think that perhaps you should wait a year, because our
- net has now reached a critical point, it will change soon
- or it will slowly die. Till now from your point of view
- it looks like dying, but maybe you're missing the first
- beginnings of a new start here in Z2.
-
- Just a few facts, the most important event for FidoNet
- was the release of Binkley 2.60 some weeks ago, I guess
- that many developpers are already busy to improve it.
- BTW, Vince sat on your chair for several years, and he
- had also to publish some very thin or sad FidoNews...
-
- Then in Z2 we have now an approved user flag ENC, which
- finally allows for an easy arrangement of "secure" mail
- routing - no big deal, but something happens, the net
- is still alive. One of your predecessors (TJ :-) has
- written several editorials on PGP, and now 5 years
- later our coords allow to promote it actively in Fido,
- just have a look in the Z2 nodelist segment. Mentioning
- Tom, there have been at least two issues, where he has
- published interesting Fido-historical stuff and nothing
- else - apparently this situation of having no articles
- is not so new.
-
- And last but not least in my region 2:24 we now have a
- democratic regional policy compliant with P4, it only
- needs an IC's approvement to be fully in force. Maybe
- you don't know it, R2:24 is about 10 to 20 percent of
- FidoNet, Fido is still quite popular here and in some
- other regions of Z2. I hope that Pablo will like it,
- changing P4 from within its limitations is a kind of
- catch 22.
-
- I guess (and hope) that the next twelve months in Fido
- will become quite interesting... like 1989, but this
- time with a good end. It's still possible. So if you
- quit now, you might regret it later, just wait a year.
-
- > I would welcome letters suggesting a new editor.
-
- FidoNews 13-19 Page: 5 06 May 1996
-
- Just in case that there is absolutely no chance to
- get you continuing your job, there is a node in R2:24,
- who had already everything repared for a german clone
- of FidoNews, i.e. he has set up your software and is
- is willing to take over, if you are completely sure,
- that you want to quit.
-
- It's your decision. Managing the snooze from R2:24
- could be quite difficult, I guess, and writing
- english is nothing we're particular good in here...
- (kind of a threat... the snooze to the krauts, is it
- this you really want ? :-)
-
- Anyway, if you're desperately decided to quit this
- editor job, than Ralf Mahler 2:2433/433 is your man.
-
- Bye for now, Frank
-
- P.S.: If issue 19 would be empty again otherwise,
- feel free to publish this mail as "letter to the
- editor" ... of course I did not follow any ARTSPEC
- considerations, deliberately, because I still hope
- that you made up your mind and want to stay.
-
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- Fidonet will not die unless we let it!
- From: Martin Noreke(1:201/40)
-
- "Fidonet is dying!"
-
- This seems to be the most common article in fidonews recently. I wish
- to disagree, as it will only die if we let it. I am an active part in
- 2 zones, and can see a strong difference in how they work.
-
- A comparison based on my experiences of Zone1 and Zone2 yeilds the
- following in regards to mail flow:
-
- In sweden (Zone2, Region20) netmail travels the same path as
- echomail. This is done through "host" systems, usually the NC
- himself. The NEC then keeps track of the administratic process, while
- the NC keeps mail running (not a hard task if you have a stable
- system), and also keeps up with NC duties such as nodelist. The
- effect of this cooperation results in a netmail turnaround within
- Zone2, of 2-3 days to get a reply if out of region, and 1 day if in
- Sweden.
-
- In Zone1, of which I only have a few months experince, netmail
- travels a seperate path, through the *C structure, while echomail
- travels through the *EC structure. Why? *C:s as I have understood it,
- do not poll as often as *EC:s do, resulting in echomail being faster
- than netmail. Echomail usually has a 2 day turnaround, to go from
- net-backbone-net as I have experienced before. This results in a 4
- day responce time. Considering that netmail is *slower* than
- echomail, is it correct to be calling the postal service "snail
- FidoNews 13-19 Page: 6 06 May 1996
-
- mail"??? To boot, lots of systems in Zone1 don't even offer netmail
- to their users, resulting in a no win situation. How are users
- expected to keep on topic, if they can't use netmail to take OT
- discussions out of echos? Snailmail? Sorry, they don't have netmail
- access.
-
- If we are to compete with the Internet, we have to use it to our
- advantage, or at least be able to offer a better speed of service
- than that which is currently available.
-
- With all the fidonet systems currently hooked up to the internet, it
- should be simple for one of them to be set up as a backbone. Any net
- could then get an internet account, and send the mail cheaply
- straight to the backbone system. This would result in faster, cheaper
- mail, as well as making netmail what it could be. There should be no
- charge involved for the nets wishing to get mail through the
- internet, except the cost of the account. I motivate this with the
- fact that so many have fixed lines already, many of them for free or
- already payed for by their BBS service, that we should be able to
- find a volunteer. Considering how widespread the Internet is, it
- doesn't even have to be a Zone1 system.
-
- In fact, N?C:s could poll the "international backbone" straight off,
- giving all nets an equall opertunity for fast, speady mail. R?C:s
- could care for regional mail, such as national conferences for
- countries outside the US.
-
- The sky is the limit on how far we can take this. We caould in fact
- "rape" the Internet so far, that Fidonet would regain it's position
- as a force to be reconned with, when it comes to friendly mail, and a
- way to meet new people.
-
- I poll Sweden just to keep in touch, and meet new people, since Zone1
- mail is to slow for me. My Zone1 nodenumber (PVT), is mearly due to
- the fact that I redistribute swedish mail to other nodes. If this was
- not done, I would mearly be an "international point".
-
- Scary thought, isn't it?
-
- Well, thats all from me for this time, and I hope I wasn't to
- incoherent for you to follow along with me.
-
- / Martin Noreke 1:201/40
- 2:201/293.16
-
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- End of FidoNet or zone 1 problems?
-
- Or are the states the center of the universe?
- by Werner Gottwald 2:2480/13.152
-
- - Sorry to tell you but I can't stand these laments of the end of the
- FidoNet anymore. I'm only a point in R24 and I see the amount of users
- growing in Germany. So where is the problem?
- FidoNews 13-19 Page: 7 06 May 1996
-
-
- I had a look at some nodelists of this year. And I found some
- interesting things I like to tell you.
-
- First I looked at the different regions. Here you can see the zone 1.
-
- Nodelist | Zone | Reg. | Nets | Nodes
- -------------+-------+------+-------+-------
- NODELIST.068 | 1 | 10 | 436 | 16245
- NODELIST.082 | 1 | 10 | 433 | 16125
- NODELIST.103 | 1 | 10 | 433 | 15821
- NODELIST.110 | 1 | 10 | 432 | 15685
- NODELIST.117 | 1 | 10 | 434 | 15583
- NODELIST.124 | 1 | 10 | 434 | 15504
-
- It's true, zone 1 is shrinking. Less nets and 741 nodes left FidoNet.
-
- Zone 3 (Australia) shrinked a little bit, nearly 60 nodes less within a
- quarter of a year.
-
- In zone 4, 5 and 6 I found stagnation, nearly nothing changed.
-
- So there must be about 810 nodes less in the last quarter of the year.
- Let's make a calculation. Nodelist.068 minus Nodelist.124.
-
- Nodelist | Zone | Reg. | Nets | Nodes
- -------------+-------+------+-------+-------
- NODELIST.068 | | 74 | 813 | 37174
- ( NODELIST.082 | | 74 | 809 | 36799 )
- ( NODELIST.103 | | 74 | 814 | 37010 )
- ( NODELIST.110 | | 74 | 815 | 36809 )
- ( NODELIST.117 | | 74 | 815 | 36591 )
- NODELIST.124 | | 74 | 818 | 36592
- -------------+-------+------+-------+-------
- + 5 - 582
-
- There should be a decrease of 810 nodes! What's up with zone 2?
- Should there be a growth?
-
- Nodelist | Zone | Reg. | Nets | Nodes
- -------------+-------+------+-------+-------
- NODELIST.068 | 2 | 34 | 264 | 17584
- NODELIST.082 | 2 | 34 | 264 | 17710
- NODELIST.103 | 2 | 34 | 268 | 17862
- NODELIST.110 | 2 | 34 | 269 | 17824
- NODELIST.117 | 2 | 34 | 270 | 17808
- NODELIST.124 | 2 | 34 | 270 | 17817
-
- The number of nets grows! Even the amount of nodes rose. Why are there
- 233 nodes more than three months ago?
-
- It has been necessary to look at the regions. And I found stagnation
- in a lot of european countries. In some there are only a few nodes less.
- Where to find the growth? Russia and the eastern countries are growing.
- And they will grow. They found a way of independent communication. Now
- FidoNews 13-19 Page: 8 06 May 1996
-
- they can get informations direct from people who don't belong to the
- government or write for them in newspapers. But they aren't well
- supplied. With the rising amount of computers in the eastern countries,
- the number of nodes will rise.
-
- In R24(Germany) there has been a astonishing increase of nearly 100
- nodes. Actually there are 7351 nodes. It seems to be a special western
- country.
-
- Here are also some big internet-provider like Compuserve and AOL, and
- the maybe unknown EOL (europe online) and T-Online (german Telekom)
- and a lot of small providers. So it would be easy to surf around in
- the www. And the mails will be faster and so on.
-
- What's so special?
- We have still a telecommunication monopol. The german telekom can
- (nearly) ask the charge they want to. So 10 hours online in i-net will
- cost you about 90$ (US) a month (provider + telkom charge).
- That's one reason.
-
- The second reason is the speed of our datahighways. Last year I tested
- AOL. The slow speed of the datahighway (what a joke) has been boring.
- I was waiting all the time till I saw some uninteresting pictures or
- texts. There will be some datahighways in germany next years, then it
- will be interesting. Now I don't like to spend money for waiting only.
-
- Third reason is the quality of the conferences. If you want to meet a
- lot of twits or see no mails ...
-
- These are some reasons FidoNet don't shrink in Germany.
-
- At the beginning of the year, the nodes of R24 voted for a Region
- Policy (it's still not acknowledged) and we work on a RegionEchomail
- Policy. Our new REC will do his best to force it. This gave some of
- the newbees a kick to stay in FidoNet and a few will be new nodes in
- future.
-
- I heard, users have to pay for netmail in the states. I can't believe
- it. I'm point, mustn't pay anything for being one nor sending/receiving
- netmail, I can give a contribution to my boss. Additionally my boss
- gave me an Internet-address for free (and not only me, he has about
- 160 Points), so I can receive and write emails. The most of his users
- don't use this service. If someone will use it extensionally, he know
- what his boss must pay and will pay his own bill. Nobody likes to cheat
- a kind person he knows.
-
- Is it right american users are leaving the FidoNet cause they must pay
- being a user in FidoNet? And they pay only a little more for better
- oportunities in i-net? - Could be a point to think about.
-
- read you in FidoNet
-
- Werner
- FidoNews 13-19 Page: 9 06 May 1996
-
-
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- Fidonews Information
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- response. People wishing to send inquiries directly to David Deitch
- should now mail to fidonet@gisatl.fidonet.org rather than the
- FidoNews 13-19 Page: 10 06 May 1996
-
- previously listed address.
-
- SUBMISSIONS: You are encouraged to submit articles for publication in
- FidoNews. Article submission requirements are contained in the file
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- from 1:1/23 as file "ARTSPEC.DOC". Please read it.
-
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- trademarks of Tom Jennings, and are used with permission.
-
- ' ' disgreement is actually necessary,
- or we'd all have to get in fights
- or semethin to amuse ourselves,,
- and create the requisite chaos."
- -Tom Jennings
- -- END
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